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What Happens When You Jungle Without Smite!

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In general, I would say it is an absolutely horrible idea to not have smite.

Smite allows you to clear the early jungle faster, but its more important aspect is control over Dragon and Baron. Most junglers will keep smite up as much as possible in the late game for Baron and Dragon so they have the ability to steal or take the objective more easily.

A stolen Baron or Dragon can easily help sway a game in a teams favor. The global gold (and buff in the case of Baron) is a huge boon to a team. It can allow you to stay in game if you are behind or seal the deal if you are ahead. By not running smite you are putting that at risk.

You might be able to get away with no smite if the enemy also lacked it, but you are making the taking of Dragon and Baron that much more of a gamble. If your team has smite and the enemy does not, then it is infinitely easier to steal both those objectives.

Nunu is one of the few junglers that could run without smite. His consume does comparable true damage to neutral creeps allowing for a lot more objective control compared to junglers without smite. ChoGath has a similar ability with his ultimate Feast, since it does such a large amount of true damage to neutral monsters.

However Id still run Smite, it is just that important.

Update:

With Season 3¹²³, Riot has moved the jungle closer to its season one state wherein the monsters are much stronger. To compensate they have included some jungle only items (Hunters Machete, Spirit Stone, etc) but overall the difficulty has been ramped up. This makes smite much more important for no/low sustain junglers. Without using smite you have to suffer much more damage from the larger camps, forcing you to fall behind as you retreat to the fountain to heal.

This can be broken down in two parts. Can a jungler clear the jungle without smite, including objectives? Answer is yes, the jungle camps are pretty easy to clear. Warwick, Nunu, Tryndamere, Chogath, Trundle, Lee Sin, Nocturne, and other junglers who can top lane all have strong sustain to clear the jungle, albeit slower than if they had this summoner spell that did 400+ true damage to minions and neutral monsters.

The bigger question is should a jungler ever jungle without smite? This is a resounding no.

Without smite, the enemy jungler can counterjungle you so easily. They could just buy wards, and ward the brush by your red and blue buff. As soon as they see you start they can stand on the other side of the wall and smite with you being able to do nothing to stop them. Smites damage at low level is higher than any other spell to neutral minions except ChoGaths Feast and Nunus Consume. However these two abilities have animation associated to them that an experienced player can take advantage of and even use their abilities in conjunction with smite to outburst these two abilities.

This inability to secure buffs would continue to Dragons and Barons being freely taken by the team with smite.

The question now becomes, can the jungler have that much stronger gank presence with the summoner spell they took in place of smite to make up for all the free dragons, barons, buffs in the game. Considering, 1 dragon is equivalent to 3 kills and respawns every 6 minutes. The jungler would have to get 1 kill every 2 minutes as a direct result of having that different summoner than smite.

But this was a rhetorical question. At least one player on each side should have smite, this tends to be the jungler. So a jungler without smite is simply trolling their team to be at a disadvantage.

There are two last tidbits of information: Having a spec in the mastery for Smite grants the jungler 10 gold each time they use it. This is a little bit of gold that can help the jungler a little as they can cast smite about once per minute. Finally, Smite can be cast even if you are stunned. In other words, if you are the jungler and in range to smite, the only way you can stop them from smite stealing the objective is to kill the jungler. On the other hand, if a Nunu or Chogath is silenced, suppressed, snared slightly out of range, knock backed, knocked up, feared, any kind of CC except a slow, they cannot use their consume or feast abilities.

As a jungler myself I would personally never replace smite as a summoner spell. Although certain champs can do it without smite such as Warwick, Nunu, and Tryndamere. It would affect the clear time since it takes more time to deal the damage smite would originally take care of. Even as one of these people smite would still be useful for stealing jungle objectives such a red and blue buff, dragon, and baron. In my opinion I dont think that jungling without smite would be beneficial at any point except the fact of another summoner spell. Would you really be able to use that summoner spell early game for ganks if you are already behind in the jungle (time wise)? Your ganks would be less efficient since it took you longer to level means that others are higher level. This would cause bad ganks and may result in the loss of the lane.

Smite deals 420+25*lvl true damage (445-870) to a minion. Smite is most useful when “securing” the kill on neutral minions (Golem, Dragon, Baron, etc), because of its high burst damage. Smite is a common pick for junglers to speed up their jungle time.

Any champion can clear the jungle faster by using smite, but some champions require it for an early jungle. Ignite can be used as a replacement for smite, though its damage is significantly lower.

A junglers two main jobs are clearing the jungle and ganking. If the champion has trouble ganking effectively (ex: Shyvana), it may be better to take exhaust instead. This will make the lvl 1 jungle much more difficult, so teamwork is essential.

Nunu (Consume), Shyvana (Burnout), Fiddlesticks (LifeDrain), and Cho Gath (everything). These champions have some form of damage/sustain that makes their early jungle much easier.

Season 4 changes have made the jungler very painful for anyone who attempts to jungle without smite it is possible yes but the enemy team will make more plays to secure baron, dragon and youre own buffs if they find you do not have smite. Also because you will be low on hp you will find most of youre camps will be stolen and you yourself will be either killed or hurt a lot in terms of your HP as well as levels. Season 3 was a hell of a lot easier you could start doran on elise shaco lee sin and many other champions however the jungle objectives would always be in damage of being smite stolen. In this season however I would suggest playing champions who deal % max health damage as well as champions who have some form of sustain and low mana cost the low mana cost is so you can stay in youre jungle longer

I would say no, as it makes your clear time longer, leaves you vulnerable to counter jungling, and could make you lose important things like dragon/baron.

So in my opinion, yes smite is a must have on every jungler you play. now flash is questionable, as i run exhaust on lee sin and mundo instead of flash.

And again, i would not recommend not taking smite on any jungler, as it leaves you too vulerable to fall behind, get ganked, and potentially lose the game.

I can tell you from my experience that you CAN jungle easily without smite. I play Wukong with exhaust/flash all the time. Gotta warn you though that if you have a noob team and no one helps you clear the first camp you are in trouble. You wont believe how many noobs left me almost die to red cause they just pull and run away. Without smite of course you clear jungle much slower, so I suggest you go hyper-aggressive – I always gank bot after first buff. Doesnt even matter which side you are on – both red and blue are wonderful for ganking. If you give your bot or mid lane first blood they get a huge advantage. With a standard armor + pots u can clear 1-2 small camps and back when you can afford a Madreds and than maybe speed boots. Since the other jungler will probably have smite he will have more farm than you, probably be a level or two ahead, but dont worry. You make up for this with aggression – dont be afraid to flash in and exhaust for a kill. When u level up a bit smite doesnt matter that much – only drawback is that you cant steal dragon/baron so make sure you ward those well and take them before enemy team.

There are of course junglers that can do better without smite – like Shaco or Mundo maybe, but Wukong is so much fun to gank – after level 3 they dont even see you coming :D. So continue ganking until you get at least 2 of the 3 lanes winning, than it doesnt make a difference that you are a level behind since with Wukong you will probably die when you ult in enemy team 🙂

Good luck and have fun with the game man, try it out.

Yes you can, however it is more challenging in the current jungle (Patch 4.20 – Preseason 5)

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However objective control will be worse without smite and your clear will be weaker.

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